Victoria Coren Mitchell - Writer, Broadcaster & Poker Player

Heresy 2

Tuesday, 6 December 2011

This week’s guests are David Baddiel, Lucy Porter and Richard Osman.

  What do you MEAN you’re not familiar with Richard Osman? He’s been a clue on the Only Connect connecting wall! He’s a quizzing icon! The man from Pointless! We’ve already recorded this episode and let me tell you: Richard was brilliant, hilarious. Quizzing fans are going to be delighted.

  The received opinions these excellent guests and I will be arguing against are:





  If you agree with any of these statements at the moment, let’s see if we can change your mind…

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grey_cabroy at 6:33 pm on December 7th, 2011

Such a fox..

JazBenz at 11:02 pm on December 7th, 2011

Wednesday has become my favorite day of the week. First Japanese class and THEN listening to the lovely Victoria Coren be funny in her natural habitat: public radio.

Side comment regarding the EPT champion of champions event. When you said “I’m also Michael” I couldn’t believe that nobody laughed!! What the hell is wrong with these people, I can’t stop laughing even now. It was so brilliant. Guess these people just don’t share the same humor :/ - what a bunch of weirdos. <3

Albee at 7:52 am on December 8th, 2011

Great show. I’m persuaded about the News Of The World, had forgotten how much fun it was to read. Question is though: was it only fun because it had all that gossip in it that turns out to come from hacked phones? ie. If they just routed out that malpractice and sacked the bad guys, would the paper be left with only Mystic Meg and stories about local postmen in sex cults? If so it wouldn’t have been as much fun and we might be better off without its stripped skeleton?

psychofant at 11:52 am on December 8th, 2011

victoria,your “rose tinted” view of the NEWS OF THE WORLD, is surely schadenfreude. i take it you have never been the subject of a, “SEX,DRUGS, LOVE-RAT” article in the scabby rag?  one piece about WIKILEAKS, in a broadsheet,is better journalism than a years output from any of murdochs tabloids.  the NEWS OF THE WORLD was a comic for people who dont wish to think.

DW at 2:04 pm on December 8th, 2011

Enjoyed a trip to London and Heresy 5 recording in Chelsea. Very relaxed great fun and well chaired - The school ma’am in charge - VC in form. Dave Gorman is incredibly bright/sharp…. funny. Thank you. Be sure you give up smoking!!!

Victoria Coren at 2:37 pm on December 8th, 2011

Well no, psycho, it’s the opposite of schadenfreude isn’t it? Schadenfreude would be to take pleasure in its demise, not to be sorry about it.

  You may be right with your last point but (as we’ve discussed before on here), I don’t see anything wrong with comics, or with not thinking, some of the time.

Philip at 11:45 am on December 9th, 2011

I bet there was an element of schadenfreude in pointing out that Psychofant misused the word schadenfreude, though.

The Tim at 10:36 pm on December 9th, 2011

...or that you all spelt it with a small ‘s’ rather than a capital.

psychofant at 10:37 pm on December 9th, 2011

philip,the schadenfreude i suggested was that enjoyed by VC when she read the news of the world,  i didnt misuse it, my suggestion was misunderstod by her and now you.

Anonymous at 11:00 pm on December 9th, 2011

It could be argued that ‘schadenfreude’ has been aptly used in both contexts.
The writers of some pieces of journalism do appear to revel in exposing what are often considered to be the shortcomings of others. Much of the readerships of those articles create that impression even more. But on the other hand, those who find all this somewhat unedifying, can indeed be susceptible to feelings of schadenfreude themselves, when those who make it their business to arouse such emotions suffer a fall. 

JazBenz at 2:49 am on December 10th, 2011

“Schadenfroh” is needed here.

Victoria feels sorry about “news of the world” no longer existing. That is what she was referring to. Psychofant’s comment was referring to her being schadenfroh (that is the adjective :D) about the actual articles in “the news of the world”, however in his post he did not make that clear. It was very easy to misunderstand.

Well, now that you all know Schadenfreude as an adjective: “schadenfroh” - future misunderstandings can be easily avoided :D

fingéro at 1:05 pm on December 10th, 2011

You could say (brace yourselves now) that it was a schadenfreudeian slip.

psychofant at 6:04 pm on December 10th, 2011

apologies for my lack of clarity. after all these comments,im feeling sad n fried.

Rrrrrrrrrrrroar at 5:20 am on December 11th, 2011

Guten Abend allerseits. Schon bezeichnend, welche deutschen Lehnwörter Einzug in die englische Sprache gefunden haben - und umgekehrt. Lässt tief blicken. Deshalb genehmige ich mir jetzt noch ein Bier (oder zwei).

JazBenz at 11:05 pm on December 11th, 2011

Wenn es kein englisches Wort für Schadenfreude gibt, dann muss man ja wohl das Deutsche nehmen oder eben eins erfinden. Ich bin mir sicher Victoria hätte mit ihrem Witz da einige gute Vorschläge. Wobei Englisch bei uns ohne Grund verbreitet wird. Arbeitsämter heißen nun bei uns offiziell: Jobcenter… und ich frag mich nur, warum…

John Rosecrop at 2:14 pm on December 14th, 2011

I note that my attempts to use the word monogamy made it into the broadcast.  The intention was to be concise.  I probably never came across the word until my twenties (unlike polygamy & bigamy). 

A better analogy might be that before learning about sex, it is like playing poker on, where you can experiment freely and play as much as you like for fun. 
Once sex enters the equation, it is like discovering where you can play for real money.  There are now real rewards, but costs and dangers also, and it’s necessary to be more focussed, play less and more carefully..  (I hope my pokerstars facts are correct)

Victoria Coren at 4:14 pm on December 14th, 2011

Hi John. Thanks very much for your contribution to Heresy, it was great. And I think your analogy with .net and .com online poker, with and without money, is very apt!

Victoria Coren

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